The International Association of Amateur Heralds

If anyone knows of a reference for a griffin displayed - I would sure like to see it...

The former arms of the USAF's 50th Tactical Fighter Wing is the closest I know of:

Some single-colored Scottish standards:

The Duke of Argyll, chief of Clan Campbell:


Lady Saltoun, chief of Clan Fraser:


MacBain :


Mackenzie:


Maclaren:


MacMillan of MacMillan and Knap:

Ok, another iteration. Found a griffin displayed and roughed a new one in:

Thought? Impressions? Feedback?

Cheers!!

I quite like it and it does relate back to the CoA very well, though I do have to say here that there is no reason why a heraldic badge has to have any visual connection with the CoA whatever.

Have you tried it with the f-d-l and rose slightly smaller? It present they rather overwhelm the poor griffin who appears just as a frame to hang the charges on. The griffin should in my view attract the eye more than the f-d-l and rose. (The very pale yellow beak and lack of eye colour don't help.)

Chas Charles-Dunne wrote:

Nicholas Hutchinson wrote:After some thinking, here is a new direction for the badge:

Thoughts, Impressions, Feedback please!!

Cheers!!

Loose the crown; reduce the size of the roundel and place it instead of the rose on the neck.

I like this idea - which kind of got lost....

Chris Green wrote:though I do have to say here that there is no reason why a heraldic badge has to have any visual connection with the CoA whatever.

quite right

Nicholas Hutchinson wrote:After some thinking, here is a new direction for the badge:

Thoughts, Impressions, Feedback please!!

Cheers!!

I actually like this without the griffin head and wreath. Just doing the impaled f-d-l and rose is quite nice.

Chris Green wrote:I quite like it and it does relate back to the CoA very well, though I do have to say here that there is no reason why a heraldic badge has to have any visual connection with the CoA whatever.

Side conversation - i have seen a lot of badges that are different from what's on the arms but they are usually geometric shapes or mullets or things like that (i.e. Steve's badge). But is it common for badges to be a completely different beast (if a beast is used on the arms). Would people stop and say "why is there a griffin for the badge if there's a badger on the shield?" Would it be considered "bad heraldry"? Or are badges a whole separate thing?

But is it common for badges to be a completely different beast (if a beast is used on the arms). Would people stop and say "why is there a griffin for the badge if there's a badger on the shield?" Would it be considered "bad heraldry"? Or are badges a whole separate thing?

It is entirely up to the armiger. The House of Windsor's badge has nothing to do with the Royal Arms (except insofar as they Royal Standard flies from Windsor Castle):



My own badge, the College of Arms grant for which post-dates the grant of arms by 27 years, is based on a red cross, which does not feature in my CoA. The College was very happy with my proposal. (Can't show you yet as the LP, though signed and sealed, has not yet been delivered.)