DARs Completed in 2011

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DARs Completed in 2011

Postby Chris Green » 06 Feb 2015, 18:47

Mr. John Mielnik, a resident of Honesdale, PA, USA.
Arms: Gules a Fer-de-Moline Argent square pierced Gules
Crest: Issuant from a Torse Argent and Gules in front of two Proboscis Horns quartered Argent and Gules a Fer-de-moline Argent square pierced Gules
Motto: ‘In Paradisum Deducant Te Angeli’ (May Angels Lead You into Paradise )
Mantling: Gules doubled Argent
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Thomas Steifer
Date: Arms assumed 08 January 2011

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Mr. Austin Globe (1879-1949), late of Canada.
Arms: Sanguine semé of Nails Or
Crest: Issuant from a Torse Or and Sanguine an Anvil Sable surmounted by a Wagon Wheel proper
Mantling: Sanguine doubled Or
Motto: Erimus (We Shall Be)
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Date: Arms assumed 26 May 2011

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Mr. Dale Imbleau, a resident of Portland, Oregon, USA.
Arms: Argent a Fess Ermines debruised by a Chevronel reversed Azure interlaced with a Chevronel Gules in Chief two Ravens volant displayed Sable
Crest: Issuing from a Torse Argent and Azure a Griffin brandishing in the upraised dexter foreclaw a Sword bend-sinister wise and in the sinister foreclaw a Masonic Trowel bendwise all proper.
Mantling: Azure doubled Argent
Motto: Honor et Virtute non Verbis (By Honour and Valour not Boasting)
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Date; Arms assumed 12 May 2011

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Mr. Erik Rogers a resident of North Bay, Ontario, Canada.
Arms: Per Chevron ployé enhanced Or and Sable in chief two Stags trippant respectant and in base a chained Portullis all counterchanged.
Crest: Issuant from a Torse Or and Sable in front of a chained Portcullis Sable a Sea Lion rampant armed and langued Gules
Mantling: Sable doubled Or
Motto: ‘Addresses ta Voix a l’intelligence’ ("Lift your voice for understanding")
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Date: Arms assumed 29 May 2011

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Mr. P. A. Jubitz a resident of Mt. Hood, Oregon, USA.
Arms: Bendy of four Counter Vairy Argent and Vert and Sable in sinister chief a Tiger’s Head caboshed proper
Crest: Issuing from a Torse Argent and Vert a Tiger rampant reguardant proper
Mantling: Vert doubled Argent
Motto: Nisi Mihi Func Quisnam (If Not Me, Then Who?)
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomas Steiffer
Date: Arms assumed 20 May 2011

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The armorial bearings of the unmarried daughters of Mr Wade MacTaggart and Mrs. Chong Min MacTaggart (see completed DARs for 2010).
Arms: 1st & 4th Argent on a Bend nebuly Sable between two Barn Owls (Tyto alba) guardant proper three Garbs Or 2nd & 3rd Ermine in chief a Mackrel naiant Gules eyed Or in base a Mackrel counter-naiant Azure eyed Or
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Date: Arms assumed 18 May 2011

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Prof. James O’Higgins Norman, a resident of Dublin, Ireland.
Arms: Argent goutty des l'armes on a Fess Azure three Towers Argent masoned Sable on a Canton Gules the Coronet of a Spanish Marquis proper.
Crest: From a Torse Argent and Azure and issuing from a Tower Sable ported and windowed a demi-Griffin rampant Argent armed and langued Gules brandishing in the dexter claw a Sword bend-sinister wise proper.
Mantling: Azure doubled Argent.
Motto: Pro Deus Quod Clementia (O God who is Merciful).
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer

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James Alan Wendt of Suffolk, Virginia, USA
Arms: Per pale argent and azure a fouled anchor proper superimposed on two pikes in saltire sable
Crest: Upon a torse of the field a stag statant Argent charged on the shoulder with a latin cross Gules
Motto: Courage and Vigilance
Mantling: Azure doubled argent
Herald: John Jones
Artist: Tomasz Steiffer
Assumed: 21 Jun 2011

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Mrs. LeeAnn Quiroz, a resident of Gresham, OR, USA.
Arms: Quarterly Azure and Argent a Lábaro (Cantabrian) Cross counterchanged a Bordure Vert
Herald; Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Date: Arms assumed 21 August 2011

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Mr. David Kühn a resident of Bedford, Beds., England.
Arms: Per Fess Sanguine and Azure in chief a Lion passant Or armed and langued Azure in base a Chevronel Erminois
Crest: Issuant from a Torse Or Azure Or Sanguine a Pegasus Argent supporting with the dexter fore-hoof an open Book proper inscribed thereon the motto in Sable the sinister fore-hoof resting on the apex of a set of Dividers points to base and open to 30o Or
Mantling: To chief Azure to base Sanguine both doubled Or
Motto: Candor dat Viribus Alas (Truth Gives Wings to Strength )
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Date: Arms assumed 05 Aug 2011

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Brian Hannold, a resident of Rochester, NY, USA.
Arms: Argent on triple Mount Vert a Rooster Sable beaked legged combed and jelloped proper holding in the sinister claw a Trefoil palewise Vert
Crest: A sinister Hand apaumé holding a Shamrock bendwise Vert
Mantling: Vert doubled Argent
Motto: C’est La Vie (That’s Life )
Herald: Geoff Kingman-Sugars
Artist: Tomasz Steiffer
Date: Arms assumed 19 December 2011

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Jeremy Kudlick
Arms: Azure on the crown of a fouled anchor Or a compass rose of the field, on a chief invected Argent a maple leaf between two oak leaves Vert.
Crest: On the chest of a bald eagle (Haliaeetus leucocephalus) wings displayed proper a fleur-de-lis Or.
Mantling: Azure doubled Or
Motto: Semper Patriam Servire Praesto (Always ready to serve my country)
Herald: Jeremy Kudlick
Artist: Tomasz Steifer
Assumed on: December, 2011

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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby JMcMillan » 07 Feb 2015, 00:00

Chris Green wrote:Mr. John Mielnik, a resident of Honesdale, PA, USA.
Arms: Gules a Fer-de-Moline Argent square pierced Gules
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Isn't this an infringement on the arms of Sir Robert de Wylebi (Wilbey), found in the Roll of Arms of the Reign of Edward II, "de goules a un fer de molin de argent"? Also, according to Parker, a family named Ferre, "gules a fer de moline argent."
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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby Chris Green » 07 Feb 2015, 05:36

Isn't this an infringement on the arms of Sir Robert de Wylebi (Wilbey), found in the Roll of Arms of the Reign of Edward II, "de goules a un fer de molin de argent"? Also, according to Parker, a family named Ferre, "gules a fer de moline argent."


I can understand your concern. An heraldic authority might consider that a Fer-de-Moline Argent square pierced Gules was sufficiently different from one without the square piercing, given that the traditional cadency marks are considered adequate difference although equally small. But then that might beg the question: might not Gules a Fer-de-Moline Argent square pierced Gules be mistaken for an early form of differencing of Gules a fer de moline argent? That said, the incidence of identical or virtually identical arms granted in different heraldic jurisdictions during the last 700 or so years is legion.

Was Mr Mielnik claiming a family link to the Wilbeys or Ferres (one of whom incidentally infringed the others arms)? On the balance of probabilities, highly doubtful. If he follows this Forum he could enlighten us. At a guess, his name would suggest origins far far away from the authority of an English herald.

Perhaps the IAAH herald concerned, our former President Geoff Kingman-Sugars, could comment.
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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby JMcMillan » 07 Feb 2015, 12:39

Chris Green wrote:
Isn't this an infringement on the arms of Sir Robert de Wylebi (Wilbey), found in the Roll of Arms of the Reign of Edward II, "de goules a un fer de molin de argent"? Also, according to Parker, a family named Ferre, "gules a fer de moline argent."


I can understand your concern. An heraldic authority might consider that a Fer-de-Moline Argent square pierced Gules was sufficiently different from one without the square piercing, given that the traditional cadency marks are considered adequate difference although equally small. But then that might beg the question: might not Gules a Fer-de-Moline Argent square pierced Gules be mistaken for an early form of differencing of Gules a fer de moline argent?


I suppose that there are some emblazonments of mill-rinds/fers-de-moline in heraldry that aren't quarter-pierced, but I'm pretty sure that most heralds (including the official ones) would blazon what's shown here without feeling the need to mention the piercing. It's identical to any run-of-the-mill (pun intended) mill-rind to be found in most heraldry texts. For example, here's Fox-Davies's illustration for "mill-rind":

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To say that blazoning the fer-de-moline as quarter-pierced creates a difference is like saying that blazoning a rustre as "round pierced" makes it different from other rustres.

That said, the incidence of identical or virtually identical arms granted in different heraldic jurisdictions during the last 700 or so years is legion.

Was Mr Mielnik claiming a family link to the Wilbeys or Ferres (one of whom incidentally infringed the others arms)? On the balance of probabilities, highly doubtful. If he follows this Forum he could enlighten us. At a guess, his name would suggest origins far far away from the authority of an English herald.


Does any of this matter? Perhaps it depends on organizational philosophy. I would be the first to agree that duplication of previous arms cannot be prevented 100%, but we all know that very simple arms are likely to have been used before. My view has always been that someone adopting new arms, or designing arms for someone else, should make a good faith effort to avoid such duplication of existing arms as best he can, and that, for an unofficial herald, diversity of jurisdictions in itself is not an excuse. In other words, Lord Lyon can matriculate to the chief of Clan Arthur a coat of arms that to all appearances is the same as that of the Irish province of Munster and would fall within the range of acceptable emblazonments of the small arms of the king of Sweden, and justify it on the basis of ancient use and diversity of jurisdictions. While I, by contrast, would not be justified in suggesting to someone of Spanish descent in New Mexico that he could legitimately bear "Azure three crowns Or" on the theory that Scottish, Irish, and Swedish arms fall into a different jurisdiction.

But perhaps the IAAH takes a different approach.
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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby Chris Green » 07 Feb 2015, 13:10

But perhaps the IAAH takes a different approach.


Your view and that of the IAAH are identical. I cannot, I'm afraid, speak for the argumentation behind the Mielnik blazon, which occurred "BC" as my wife puts it (before Chris). We must see what Geoff K-S has to say.
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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby Mike_Oettle » 26 Feb 2015, 20:57

Personally I would not regard the Mielnik arms as an infringement of the Wilbey arms simply because Mielnik is not an English surname, and John Mielnik is a US resident (presumably a citizen).

However I am much more concerned about the appearance of the lion of England in the arms of David Kühn, since he is resident in England. I am sure that if he attempted to have these arms granted by the College of Arms, they would be thrown out.
The single lion is not part of the royal arms (since the shield of England bears three of them), but for centuries a red chief bearing a single lion has been granted as an augmentation of honour to individuals and corporates, so it would seem as if Mr Kühn has assumed the right to a sign of royal favour.
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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby GJKS » 30 May 2016, 01:57

... but for centuries a red chief bearing a single lion has been granted as an augmentation of honour to individuals and corporates,...

Irrespective of this fact, the Lion resides on the upper part of a 'per Fess' partition and is not to be confused with anything on a Chief. You have to be careful when reading a blazon. ;)
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Re: DARs Completed in 2011

Postby Michael F. McCartney » 30 May 2016, 10:11

I would respectfully disagree with Mike re: infringement, on two levels:

First, in a modern world of jet airplanes, widespread movement of people, and the internet, criteria based on national borders is out of date.

Second, even if the old jurisdictional approach is still adequate in Europe (which I don't believe), the US is a nation of immigrants, from everywhere else on Earth. Duplicating old arms from a different Old World country of origin risks infringing on the inherited arms of other Americans with a prior claim. And given our history, infringing on existing English arms is even more likely than most to infringe on the arms of another American family with English armorial roots.
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