Center for Church Heraldry in the Netherlands
Posted: 24 Jul 2017, 17:34
Arms of the Center for Church Heraldry in the Netherlands
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Marcus Karlsson wrote:I guess the medalion Bears the arms of the archdiocese of Utrecht. The batons are probably Heralds' batons.
Marcus Karlsson wrote:As I can find out the Center for Church Heraldry in the Netherlands is a private initiative that gives advise on Heraldry in the Church. And the Church here seems to mean the Roman Catholic Church.
Chris Green wrote:Marcus Karlsson wrote:As I can find out the Center for Church Heraldry in the Netherlands is a private initiative that gives advise on Heraldry in the Church. And the Church here seems to mean the Roman Catholic Church.
As the Church of Rome has no heraldic authority, I imagine that some Dutch heraldists are doing their best to give guidance to the local bishops, clergy and congregations, which we should applaud.
The assumption of the batons however suggests the arrogation of the right to perform the functions of heralds, rather than to give advice. It would be as though the IAAH added batons behind its arms (or its Board members did - now there's a thought ) It would be nice to know whether the Centre has assumed the arms or whether it has the approval of the Hoge Raad van Adel.
Any number of private heraldic organizations use batons behind the shield, the Dutch Centraal Bureau voor Genealogie, the "Wappen Herold" and "Wappen-Loewe" heraldry societies in Germany, the Polish Heraldry Society, and the Macedonian Heraldry Society to name five. The arms of the Swedish Heraldry Society as used for its Svenskt Vapenregister are backed by a baton and a sword.