heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Torsten Laneryd » 02 Dec 2013, 20:38

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The tree in the CoA is a strawberry tree. That can't be right I thought. Strawberries grow on bushes. But there is such a tree:


You learn much about the world from a stamp collection, they say. And now I see I learn as much from heraldry. ;)

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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Ton de Witte » 03 Dec 2013, 17:56

next: Hamburg, Cologne and Aachen, note that the coa of Aachen is quite different.

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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 03 Dec 2013, 18:40

Also, Cologne's Coat of arms is not a semy of ermine, but eleven gouttes de sable (did I spell that right?) Interestingly the gouttes were a late addition and the coat of arms just had a field argent under the chief.

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Postby JMcMillan » 03 Dec 2013, 21:41

Just what the charges are supposed to be on the Cologne city arms seems not to be totally cut and dried. This page http://www.koeln-altstadt.de/kultur/koe ... index.html on the development of the arms says that the "droplets, flames, or tears represent [darstellen] ermine tails of an ermine pelt, from the old arms of Brittany." The source is the arms of Brittany, St. Ursula (whose legendary 11 or 11,000 virgin martyrs are symbolized by the black charges) being a daughter of the king of Brittany.
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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Chris Green » 04 Dec 2013, 07:02

Here is the correct CoA of Aachen:

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Why whoever designed the heraldry for Amsterdam station decided on red rather than gold (thus creating arms that might be OK in Albania but nowhere much else other than a Holywood movie) is a mystery.
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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Ton de Witte » 04 Dec 2013, 08:15

could be a misinterpretation of these arms of 1888

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or somebody read a blazon the wrong way.
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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Ton de Witte » 04 Dec 2013, 18:52

last of the destinations: St. Petersburg, Vienna and Munich. Vienna is quite different.

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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Chris Green » 04 Dec 2013, 19:49

Surely some mistake there. The arms of Vienna when Amsterdam station was built were:

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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Chris Green » 04 Dec 2013, 19:59

Sadly even the arms of Munich are wrong. The gold should be silver:

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Das Wappen der Stadt München zeigt in Silber einen Mönch mit goldgeränderter schwarzer Kutte und roten Schuhen, in der Linken ein rotes Eidbuch haltend, die Rechte zum Schwur erhoben.
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Re: heraldry on the central station in Amsterdam

Postby Chris Green » 04 Dec 2013, 20:07

The St Petersburg arms have the anchors in what appears to be vert rather than argent. The current version of the CoA looks like this:

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All in all I am left with very mixed feelings about this collection. It was nice that back in the 19th century the railway company thought to use heraldry to brighten up its new station. But oh dear, whoever was charged with doing the research let them down. In his defence (for I guess it was probably a man) he did not have access to the internet of course, nor almost certainly to any books containing colour plates. Unfortunately he was no heraldry buff as he would otherwise have questioned some of the tinctures and would surely never have got Vienna wrong.

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