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Heraldic flags such as banners, badge banners, standards, pennons, pincels ... Feel free to discuss and compare the flying heraldy used in any country here.
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Larry Snyder
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Postby Larry Snyder » 01 May 2022, 20:50

In the UK armigers may use the national flag at the hoist rather than the arms. Could not this be adopted by American armigers to use the jack (that is the canton of the national flag) at the hoist?

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Re: Standards

Postby Chris Green » 01 May 2022, 21:28

Larry Snyder wrote:In the UK armigers may use the national flag at the hoist rather than the arms. Could not this be adopted by American armigers to use the jack (that is the canton of the national flag) at the hoist?


It used to be the case in England that the Cross of St George featured at the hoist.

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These days the armiger's arms are placed at the hoist.

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Re: Standards

Postby Arthur Radburn » 02 May 2022, 11:33

Chris Green wrote:It used to be the case in England that the Cross of St George featured at the hoist.
These days the armiger's arms are placed at the hoist.
With occasional exceptions, the owner's arms are placed in the hoist in Scotland, Ireland, Canada and South Africa too.
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Re: Standards

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 07 May 2022, 17:07

You mean they would just use the 50 stars sans stripes? I wouldn't recommend it. Partly, as has been said, most armigers use their arms nowadays, but also because people might not recognize what it is, it lacks a more specific precedent, and the Union Jack is the same as the same as the Union Flag. It is usually the flag the armigers made part of their standard. The flag of the UK is just unusual in that it is referred to as a jack even when it is used as the national flag and not on a ship. The USA flag is also unusual (but not unique) in that it is based on a naval ensign. I believe the Cross of St. George was mostly used in standards when they were part of the army, and that might be the reason for the inclusion of the St. George's cross, which was the main way the English indicated who was on their side.


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