Austrian President's Arms.

Heraldry of the German speaking countries
Jonathan Webster
Posts: 304
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 21:47
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Jonathan Webster » 02 Sep 2013, 12:02

I'm afraid I've beat you to it with the Kirchschläger Stallplate, Marcus! :)

Image

Marcus Karlsson
Posts: 975
Joined: 13 Jul 2012, 08:52
Location: Sweden

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Marcus Karlsson » 04 Sep 2013, 18:47

You are welcome to it, as I worte that I would not post Kirchsläger's Stallplate as it was nearly identical as for the name and dates.

Jonathan Webster
Posts: 304
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 21:47
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Jonathan Webster » 04 Sep 2013, 19:02

Yes. Is there any difference at all apart from the name and date?

Also, does anyone have any idea how to blazon the chains on the Eagle's legs?

User avatar
Arthur Radburn
Posts: 1331
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 09:56

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Arthur Radburn » 04 Sep 2013, 19:41

Jonathan Webster wrote:Also, does anyone have any idea how to blazon the chains on the Eagle's legs?
According to the blazon published in the German Wikipedia
[ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswapp ... 6sterreich) ] it is "Die beide Faenge umschliesst eine gesprengte Eisenkette". I think that would translate along the lines of "each claw encircled by a broken iron chain".
Regards
Arthur Radburn

User avatar
Chris Green
Posts: 3621
Joined: 10 Jul 2012, 13:06
Location: Karlstad, Sweden

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Chris Green » 05 Sep 2013, 06:01

The symbolism of the eagles's legs holding the hammer and sickle might imply an affinity to communism if it were not for the broken shackles. Austria's post WW2 history so nearly followed the "red route" to Soviet domination that was the fate of most of central and eastern Europe.
Chris Green
IAAH President

Bertilak de Hautdesert

Jonathan Webster
Posts: 304
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 21:47
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Jonathan Webster » 12 Sep 2013, 19:30

Interestingly enough, the broken shackles and chains on the Eagle's legs only feature on the Arms post-1945 (symbolic of the liberation from Nazi domination), and did not feature on the Arms used 1919-1934, nor the Arms used 1934-1938.

Jonathan Webster
Posts: 304
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 21:47
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Jonathan Webster » 03 Jun 2020, 11:48

President Miklas (President 1928-1938) used the following arms as a Knight of the Papal Order of Christ:

Image



Argent, a double headed eagle displayed Sable nimbused Or, beaked, taloned and gambed Or, langued Gules, over all an inescutcheon, tierced per fess Gules, Argent and Gules.

-that is, the coat of arms of the 1934-1938 'Federal State' of Austria, on a white shield.

Ryan Shuflin
Posts: 582
Joined: 26 Jul 2012, 13:00
Location: Germany

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 31 May 2022, 16:25

Arthur Radburn wrote:Is it not still verboten to use personal arms in Austria?

Was it ever forbidden? I know that noble titles were forbidden, but personal arms can be used by anyone.

User avatar
Arthur Radburn
Posts: 1331
Joined: 11 Jul 2012, 09:56

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Arthur Radburn » 31 May 2022, 19:21

The 1919 law that abolished the nobility also prohibited related titles and honorifics and, in section (5), "the right to bear family arms, especially the falsely named 'burgher' arms".
Gesetz 1919.png
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Regards
Arthur Radburn

Ryan Shuflin
Posts: 582
Joined: 26 Jul 2012, 13:00
Location: Germany

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 02 Jun 2022, 19:43

I checked, it is still in effect, although not enforced. It just means, in contrast to Germany, arms are not protected. Still, I find it inappropriate that the President receives a knightly order, considering the law.


Return to “German Heraldry”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests