Early Bavarian armorial

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Kurt Alex
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Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Kurt Alex » 21 Feb 2019, 20:04

Hello to all,

Here's a bit of eye candy from an early Bavarian armorial (1500s) and a challenge for those trying to decipher the calligraphic script. Enjoy.

Wappenbuch des churbayrischen Adels, Band I

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db ... 9&seite=33

Wappenbuch des churbayrischen Adels, Band II

http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db ... 00001&l=de

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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Arthur Radburn » 22 Feb 2019, 09:20

Thanks for posting this, Kurt. Certainly lots of eye candy to enjoy.

This caged lion is an unusual design :
Degernbach - Vol 1 img 35.png

So are these arms :
Tolzner - Vol 2 img 68.png

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how to blazon them?
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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Chris Green » 22 Feb 2019, 10:00

Could Tolzner be: Quarterly of nine per bend Gules and Or? (Remembering of course that the original blazon would have been in German, a feat beyond my modest accomplishments.)
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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Jeremy Fox » 22 Feb 2019, 14:27

Bendy of six Gu. & Or, a cross voided counterchanged?

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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Torsten Laneryd » 23 Feb 2019, 12:34

Chris Green wrote:(Remembering of course that the original blazon would have been in German.)


Neun Felder jeder schräg geteilt von Rot und Gold?

That means:
Nine fields each obliquely divided by red and gold?

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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Arthur Radburn » 23 Feb 2019, 14:45

It's similar to this varied field, but at a different angle :
Trianglee.png

This is blazoned in German as "Gespickelt". In English, it can be "trianglée" or "triangled" or, if you prefer "barry indented point in point". Perhaps the Tolzner arms could be "bendy indented point in point"?
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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Torsten Laneryd » 23 Feb 2019, 18:59

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Schräggespickelt :!: ;)

Up to nine Felder are counted. In this case one speaks of a not counted gespickelten shield.

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Klassische Schildteilung mit neun Feldern.

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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Arthur Radburn » 23 Feb 2019, 19:35

Thank you, Torsten. So it's "Schräggespickelt" in German.
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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Chris Green » 23 Feb 2019, 21:43

Thank you Torsten for the German. It is important for us to know what the original blazon would be, even if there isn't always an English equivalent. In this case I take it to mean that my English blazon Quarterly of nine per bend Gules and Or is about as near as we Anglo-Saxons can get.
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Re: Early Bavarian armorial

Postby Michael F. McCartney » 02 Mar 2019, 21:09

I'd say "Quarterly of nine EACH per bend Or and Gules" - without "each" I would picture solid red and gold squares with only numbers 1, 5, and 9 being parted per bend...
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