Arms of Morganatic Houses

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Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 09 Dec 2012, 16:43

From Austria:
The Dukes of Hohenberg, descendants of Archduke Franz Ferdinand
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From Hesse
Princes of Battenberg, later Mountbatten:
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From the Palatinate:
One of the branches of Loewenstein
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From Wurttemburg:
Teck
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Urach
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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Jeremy Kudlick » 09 Dec 2012, 17:50

What are the charges on the dexter side of Teck and Urach? They almost appear to be the spines and ribs of an animal.
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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Jonathan Webster » 09 Dec 2012, 18:36

They're antlers; derived from the original ancestral arms borne by the parent House of Wurttemburg.

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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 09 Dec 2012, 22:51

Jeremy Kudlick wrote:What are the charges on the dexter side of Teck and Urach? They almost appear to be the spines and ribs of an animal.


You may recognize it from the 1st and 4th quarters of the Porsche badge.

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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Jonathan Webster » 10 Dec 2012, 08:36

The arms of the House of Mountbatten (originally Battenburg) were later augmented with, in the Honour point, an inescutcheon of the arms Princess Alice; mother of the wife of Louis, eldest son of the morganatic marriage between Prince Alexander of Hesse and Countess Julie von Hauke. These arms were borne b the male-line descendents of Prince Louis, who had become domisciled in the United Kingdom. The descendents of his younger brother; who had married one of Queen Victoria's daughters, bore their ancestral arms 2 and 3, and the differenced Royal arms 1 and 4.

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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 11 Dec 2012, 01:40

It does appear the England was an attractive place for members of morganatic families.

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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Jeremy Kudlick » 11 Dec 2012, 11:54

Jonathan Webster wrote:They're antlers; derived from the original ancestral arms borne by the parent House of Wurttemburg.

They don't look like any antlers I've seen, but I've only seen White-Tail Deer and moose antlers up close.
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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 12 Dec 2012, 13:48

Jeremy Kudlick wrote:
Jonathan Webster wrote:They're antlers; derived from the original ancestral arms borne by the parent House of Wurttemburg.

They don't look like any antlers I've seen, but I've only seen White-Tail Deer and moose antlers up close.


Traditional heraldry depicts Fallow, Roe, or Red deer. Fallow deer have broad antlers, Roe have small and straight antlers. So this is either a large Roe antler or a straight Red antler, but yes, it isn't instantly recognizable as an antler.

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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby Jeremy Kudlick » 12 Dec 2012, 16:02

Ryan Shuflin wrote:Traditional heraldry depicts Fallow, Roe, or Red deer. Fallow deer have broad antlers, Roe have small and straight antlers. So this is either a large Roe antler or a straight Red antler, but yes, it isn't instantly recognizable as an antler.

I see now they look most like roe antlers. Thank you.
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Re: Arms of Morganatic Houses

Postby JMcMillan » 13 Dec 2012, 00:47

It is immediately recognizable as an antler by those who are familiar with antlers as charges in heraldry. Just like mill-rinds, mullets, fleams, or water-bougets.
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