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Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 02 Sep 2013, 12:02
by Jonathan Webster
I'm afraid I've beat you to it with the Kirchschläger Stallplate, Marcus! :)

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Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 04 Sep 2013, 18:47
by Marcus Karlsson
You are welcome to it, as I worte that I would not post Kirchsläger's Stallplate as it was nearly identical as for the name and dates.

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 04 Sep 2013, 19:02
by Jonathan Webster
Yes. Is there any difference at all apart from the name and date?

Also, does anyone have any idea how to blazon the chains on the Eagle's legs?

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 04 Sep 2013, 19:41
by Arthur Radburn
Jonathan Webster wrote:Also, does anyone have any idea how to blazon the chains on the Eagle's legs?
According to the blazon published in the German Wikipedia
[ http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswapp ... 6sterreich) ] it is "Die beide Faenge umschliesst eine gesprengte Eisenkette". I think that would translate along the lines of "each claw encircled by a broken iron chain".

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 05 Sep 2013, 06:01
by Chris Green
The symbolism of the eagles's legs holding the hammer and sickle might imply an affinity to communism if it were not for the broken shackles. Austria's post WW2 history so nearly followed the "red route" to Soviet domination that was the fate of most of central and eastern Europe.

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 12 Sep 2013, 19:30
by Jonathan Webster
Interestingly enough, the broken shackles and chains on the Eagle's legs only feature on the Arms post-1945 (symbolic of the liberation from Nazi domination), and did not feature on the Arms used 1919-1934, nor the Arms used 1934-1938.

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 03 Jun 2020, 11:48
by Jonathan Webster
President Miklas (President 1928-1938) used the following arms as a Knight of the Papal Order of Christ:

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Argent, a double headed eagle displayed Sable nimbused Or, beaked, taloned and gambed Or, langued Gules, over all an inescutcheon, tierced per fess Gules, Argent and Gules.

-that is, the coat of arms of the 1934-1938 'Federal State' of Austria, on a white shield.

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 31 May 2022, 16:25
by Ryan Shuflin
Arthur Radburn wrote:Is it not still verboten to use personal arms in Austria?

Was it ever forbidden? I know that noble titles were forbidden, but personal arms can be used by anyone.

Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 31 May 2022, 19:21
by Arthur Radburn
The 1919 law that abolished the nobility also prohibited related titles and honorifics and, in section (5), "the right to bear family arms, especially the falsely named 'burgher' arms".
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Re: Austrian President's Arms.

Posted: 02 Jun 2022, 19:43
by Ryan Shuflin
I checked, it is still in effect, although not enforced. It just means, in contrast to Germany, arms are not protected. Still, I find it inappropriate that the President receives a knightly order, considering the law.