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Helm of Charles V
Posted: 12 Nov 2013, 23:23
by Edward Hillenbrand
I am not sure if folks are interested in this, but I came across it today. I found the quarterings on the faceplate interesting. Also, if you go to the regular site you we see some profoundly UGLY helms!
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Re: Helm of Charles V
Posted: 12 Nov 2013, 23:58
by Chas Charles-Dunne
Does this help -
Re: Helm of Charles V
Posted: 13 Nov 2013, 16:14
by Edward Hillenbrand
Thats a lot better.
Sorry.
Re: Helm of Charles V
Posted: 13 Nov 2013, 17:26
by Chris Green
The bird looks like a baby jackdaw - not very martial!
Re: Helm of Charles V
Posted: 13 Nov 2013, 17:50
by Chas Charles-Dunne
But a work of art, regardless.
Re: Helm of Charles V
Posted: 15 Nov 2013, 18:33
by Ryan Shuflin
Chris Green wrote:The bird looks like a baby jackdaw - not very martial!
Yeah, but who is going to tell the Emperor that?
Re: Helm of Charles V
Posted: 15 Nov 2013, 18:53
by Chris Green
Probably the same chap who tells him his CoA depicts a dead crow!
Helm of Emperor Charles V
Posted: 16 Nov 2013, 17:49
by Chris Green
I have moved this thread to German Heraldry (which covers all German speaking nations) since the Charles V was Holy Roman Emperor and not French.
Re: Helm of Emperor Charles V
Posted: 18 Nov 2013, 08:21
by Ton de Witte
he was a bit French as count of Flanders and duke of Burgundy he was a vasal of the King of France.
Re: Helm of Emperor Charles V
Posted: 18 Nov 2013, 14:45
by JMcMillan
Charles V/Carlos V/Karl der V. cannot be easily squeezed into any modern European geographic definition. His hereditary domains alone covered all or parts of modern Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, and Poland, not counting the other territories in Germany and Italy over which he presided as Holy Roman Emperor or his overseas realms in the Americas and Far East. But if he has to be categorized, I'd say either Low Countries (where he was born and raised) or Spain (where he lived most of his adult life and died) make more sense than Germany. From a cultural perspective he was Flemish/Burgundian and from a political perspective Spanish, much more than German, as reflected heraldically in the quarterings visible on the helm: I. Quarterly Austria, France (probably intended as Burgundy Modern), Burgundy Ancient, and Brabant with Flanders and Tyrol surtout; II. Castile and Leon quartering Aragon and Two Sicilies. In other words 37.5% of the heraldic space represents Spanish territories, 35% Burgundian/Belgian, 15% German-speaking, and 12.5% Italian.