Two Blason questions
- Michael F. McCartney
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Re: Two Blason questions
Very nice design! I assume the blazon would specify what sort of tree?
Michael F. McCartney
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Re: Two Blason questions
Michael F. McCartney wrote:Very nice design! I assume the blazon would specify what sort of tree?
It does. It is beech.
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Re: Two Blason questions
Greetings all,
Sorry to be so late with a reply. I have been overseas for some time.
Re the crest of a tree 'pierced' by a sword and key in saltire -
In my opinion, neither 'pierced' nor 'transfixed' would be correct - unless the sword and key physically passed through the trunk or through a branch of the tree.
In this case, they appear to be entwined within the branches, hence, I would suggest something like -
"A beech tree vert with a sword and key (hilt and bow downwards) or disposed in saltire between the branches of the tree.".
Regards,
Iain Boyd
Sorry to be so late with a reply. I have been overseas for some time.
Re the crest of a tree 'pierced' by a sword and key in saltire -
In my opinion, neither 'pierced' nor 'transfixed' would be correct - unless the sword and key physically passed through the trunk or through a branch of the tree.
In this case, they appear to be entwined within the branches, hence, I would suggest something like -
"A beech tree vert with a sword and key (hilt and bow downwards) or disposed in saltire between the branches of the tree.".
Regards,
Iain Boyd
- Michael F. McCartney
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Re: Two Blason questions
But to me, this blazon doesn't suggest that the sword and cross actually extend above and below the crown of the tree. Maybe it's just me needing more sleep!
Michael F. McCartney
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Re: Two Blason questions
But, then, neither 'pierced' nor 'transfixed' suggest that the sword and cross extend above and below the crown of the tree!
Iain
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- Michael F. McCartney
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Re: Two Blason questions
True enough... so it's "as is more plainly shown in the margin" and off to bed!
Michael F. McCartney
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Re: Two Blason questions
Michael F. McCartney wrote:True enough... so it's "as is more plainly shown in the margin" and off to bed!
"As is more plainly shown in the margin" is a cop-out which only works in the blazoning of LPs. It is of no earthly use where the emblazonment is not present.
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Re: Two Blason questions
I think there's bit of straining over gnats in this. Isn't the degree to which the ends of the sword and key extend beyond the crown of the tree a matter of artistic treatment? The artist obviously has an obligation to represent the arms in a clear, identifiable fashion, and I'd think this would necessarily mean the ends of the sword and tree extending beyond the crown so that they're easily visible. But if an artist can represent the arms clearly some other way, that should also be acceptable. We have to guard against over-precise blazoning.
I think "piercing" or "transfixing" the crown of the tree is adequate blazonry.
I think "piercing" or "transfixing" the crown of the tree is adequate blazonry.
Joseph McMillan
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Re: Two Blason questions
Joseph: I agree, particularly as the tree, as illustrated, is the artist's very particular conception of ett bokträd (a beech tree). Were the tree rendered naturally the crown would of course be much larger:
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