Cross Trident

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Mark Henderson
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Cross Trident

Postby Mark Henderson » 12 Aug 2016, 01:57

Recently, I saw a cross with Trident endpoints whilst Googling the interwebs. Just curious, but has this been used as a heraldic charge?

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Also, would it be acceptable for heraldic crosses to be oriented in saltire?

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Cameron Campbell
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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Cameron Campbell » 12 Aug 2016, 08:07

I would say, Yes. The saltire is a form of cross to begin with, and is known by some as St. Andrew's cross. What do you want it to represent?

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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Arthur Radburn » 12 Aug 2016, 10:23

The trident cross makes an attractive charge, suitable for an armiger with naval or maritime connections. I see no reason why it couldn't exist as a saltire too -- long-established heraldic crosses such as the cross crosslet and the cross flory, to name but two, have saltire counterparts.
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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Mark Henderson » 12 Aug 2016, 18:30

Thanks for the response. I have a friend who enjoys sailing. He also happens to be of Scottish ancestry, but is thinking of assuming arms rather than attempting a grant through Lorn Lyon. Therefore, I was curious about using the cross trident in saltire as a possible charge
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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Terry Baldwin » 13 Aug 2016, 16:27

Mark,

If your friend wishes to do so, the Design Assistance Request has been reopened.

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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Mark Henderson » 13 Aug 2016, 19:22

Thank you Terry. I saw an earlier post regarding this. I have mentioned it to my friend.
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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 15 Aug 2016, 13:47

How would you blazon that?

I have searched for an actual use of such a cross, but only found some examples on a German heraldry wiki. That is it seems some Heraldic scholar thought up the cross, but no one has used it. There are of course crossed tridents, in heraldry, and most of those in saltire, so it would be best to blazon in it so it won't be confused with one of those.

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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Michael F. McCartney » 16 Aug 2016, 05:18

New charges dreamed up by writers etc., can be very useful in designing new arms IF they are visually distinctive and recognizable. This particular example, either as a cross or a saltire, is IMO a winner! The trident forks (term??) are at least as distinct and recognizable as, say, the ends of a cross botonne vs. a cross crosslet, difficult to tell which in small scale or at a distance (at least to my septuagint eyes!).
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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Ryan Shuflin » 16 Aug 2016, 13:33

Would you call it a cross Trindentee?

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Re: Cross Trident

Postby Chris Green » 16 Aug 2016, 14:06

Ryan Shuflin wrote:Would you call it a cross Trindentee?


No. But conceivably "Tridentine".
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