Heraldic Cruelty to Birds and Animals

[Ryan Shuflin]

We should also purge heraldry of mounted knights and their spurs and of course caltrops too.

[Kathy McClurg]

<sigh>

Well, Dragons have been hunted darn near to extinction because of this St. George fellow all over heraldry...

[Bradley Smith]

We should also purge heraldry of mounted knights and their spurs and of course caltrops too.

Dang.

[Mike_Oettle]

Talking of cruelty, there is of course also the demi-lion in the Howards’ famous Flodden augmentation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Flodden#mediaviewer/File:Thomas_Howard_Arms.svg

[Chris Green]

Talking of cruelty, there is of course also the demi-lion in the Howards’ famous Flodden augmentation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Flodden#mediaviewer/File:Thomas_Howard_Arms.svg

Ah but the lion in question was King James IV of Scotland who more or less committed suicide by charging to his doom at the hand of Surrey's bill-men.

Seeing his main force floundering, King James made the heroic but suicidal decision to try to encourage his faltering army to superhuman efforts by fighting at their head. This was to be his Alexander the Great moment, leading his pike phalanxes to victory by his timely intervention. If that is what went through his head, or whether he saw that the alternative was inevitable capture or flight, we do not know. But into the fray he charged, and his commanders and much of the rest of the nobility felt it their duty to join him. Most of them did join him – in death at the hands of nameless English billmen waiting to drag them from their horses and finish them in the mud.

http://amateurheralds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=389&hilit=+Garter

[Mike_Oettle]

Tell that to the bleeding heart who wants references to hawking abolished in armorial display.

[Ryan Shuflin]

Tell that to the bleeding heart who wants references to hawking abolished in armorial display.

Bleeding hearts, now that is a whole another topic. I doubt though, the Douglas's would take kindly that they should remove the royal heart they have proudly born since the death of Bruce.

[Mike_Oettle]

Indeed.