The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?

[Jonathan Webster]

Does anyone know if the Arms of the Princes of Monaco or the Princes of Liechtenstein have ever featured a crest and if so; what are they?

[Chris Green]

The picture of the founding Prince Karl 1 (1569-1627) appended to the attached Wiki page shows his arms without a crest. However he was the son of Baron Hartmann of Liechtenstein, and this gentleman probably possessed a crest, as did his son prior to being raised to the princely title.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_I,_Prince_of_Liechtenstein

The Manesse Codex has a picture of one Herr Ulrich von Liechtenstein (tafel 77) but the arms are completely different and his family was apparently not linked to the Austrian Liechtensteins. So that is a red herring.

http://www.manesse.de/Manesse.php?id=360&tfl=78

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrich_von_Liechtenstein

The search goes on ...

[Ryan Shuflin]

Here is a picture of the Monaco arms with crest:


there are a few others with crests, although it is rarely seen.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco_Vollwappen_%28mit_Helmzier%29.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco_Vollwappen_%28mit_Helmzier%29_AK.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stemma_Monaco_%28Monaco,_Baviera%29.jpg

[Jonathan Webster]

Hmm how would we blazon the crest of the Monegasque Prince?

[Chas Charles-Dunne]

"Rising from a ducal coronet a fleur-de-lys Or between a palm branch to dexter and a laurel branch to sinister both Proper.", is how I would blazon it.
How would you do it?

[Jonathan Webster]

"Rising from a ducal coronet a fleur-de-lys Or between a palm branch to dexter and a laurel branch to sinister both Proper.", is how I would blazon it.
How would you do it?

On reflection; pretty much the same

[Chris Green]

..... it is rarely seen.

Not surprising really! The princely crown has that je ne sais quoi that a couple of sprigs of foliage could never achieve.