The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
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The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
Does anyone know if the Arms of the Princes of Monaco or the Princes of Liechtenstein have ever featured a crest and if so; what are they?
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Re: The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
The picture of the founding Prince Karl 1 (1569-1627) appended to the attached Wiki page shows his arms without a crest. However he was the son of Baron Hartmann of Liechtenstein, and this gentleman probably possessed a crest, as did his son prior to being raised to the princely title.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_I,_Prince_of_Liechtenstein
The Manesse Codex has a picture of one Herr Ulrich von Liechtenstein (tafel 77) but the arms are completely different and his family was apparently not linked to the Austrian Liechtensteins. So that is a red herring.
http://www.manesse.de/Manesse.php?id=360&tfl=78
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrich_von_Liechtenstein
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_I,_Prince_of_Liechtenstein
The Manesse Codex has a picture of one Herr Ulrich von Liechtenstein (tafel 77) but the arms are completely different and his family was apparently not linked to the Austrian Liechtensteins. So that is a red herring.
http://www.manesse.de/Manesse.php?id=360&tfl=78
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrich_von_Liechtenstein
The search goes on ...
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Re: The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
Here is a picture of the Monaco arms with crest:
there are a few others with crests, although it is rarely seen.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco_Vollwappen_%28mit_Helmzier%29.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco_Vollwappen_%28mit_Helmzier%29_AK.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stemma_Monaco_%28Monaco,_Baviera%29.jpg
there are a few others with crests, although it is rarely seen.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco_Vollwappen_%28mit_Helmzier%29.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Monaco_Vollwappen_%28mit_Helmzier%29_AK.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stemma_Monaco_%28Monaco,_Baviera%29.jpg
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Re: The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
Hmm how would we blazon the crest of the Monegasque Prince?
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Re: The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
"Rising from a ducal coronet a fleur-de-lys Or between a palm branch to dexter and a laurel branch to sinister both Proper.", is how I would blazon it.
How would you do it?
How would you do it?
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Re: The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
Chas Charles-Dunne wrote:"Rising from a ducal coronet a fleur-de-lys Or between a palm branch to dexter and a laurel branch to sinister both Proper.", is how I would blazon it.
How would you do it?
On reflection; pretty much the same
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Re: The crests of the Princes of Liechtenstein and Monaco?
..... it is rarely seen.
Not surprising really! The princely crown has that je ne sais quoi that a couple of sprigs of foliage could never achieve.
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