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Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 00:21
by O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr
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Arms: Sable on a bend Murrey fimbriated Or between two elephant tusks proper butt-capped Or both bendwise the dexter tusk butt to chief and the sinister tusk butt to base three bear heads erased Argent.

Crest: On a wreath Argent and Sable an elephant statant affronty wearing a mitre and holding by its trunk three peacock train feathers bendwise sinister proper.

Motto: Semper excelsius.

Designer: Mr. Michael Conrad Swanson.

Artist: Prof. Ljubodrag Grujić.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 02:15
by steven harris
I like it!

(should the mitre in your crest be blazoned as 'Or'?)

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 03:47
by O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr
steven harris wrote:I like it!

(should the mitre in your crest be blazoned as 'Or'?)


Thank you.

If I remember correctly (and I probably don't), in British heraldry mitres are assumed to be gold and so it doesn't need to be blazoned.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 18:00
by Ton de Witte
nice picture

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 06 Oct 2012, 20:08
by Ryan Shuflin
very interesting and very well done

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 08 Oct 2012, 01:04
by GJKS
O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr wrote:
steven harris wrote:I like it!
(should the mitre in your crest be blazoned as 'Or'?)

If I remember correctly (and I probably don't), in British heraldry mitres are assumed to be gold and so it doesn't need to be blazoned.

That's an interesting remark. Any idea where your assumption might have originated?

From what I can see of that blazon, the adjective 'proper' controls the colouring of any charges preceeding it back to the previous tincture, or the beginning of the blazon, whichever is first.
Crest: On a wreath Argent and Sable an elephant statant affronty wearing a mitre and holding by its trunk three peacock train feathers bendwise sinister proper.

So, with that in mind, the Elephant, Mitre and Feathers are all proper.
However, I might query the wording of 'bendwise sinister' rather than 'bend sinisterwise'.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 08 Oct 2012, 02:17
by steven harris
Having been responsible for holding a bishop's mitre during a mass - I can tell you that they are not gold.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 08 Oct 2012, 20:26
by O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr
GJKS wrote:
O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr wrote:
steven harris wrote:I like it!
(should the mitre in your crest be blazoned as 'Or'?)

If I remember correctly (and I probably don't), in British heraldry mitres are assumed to be gold and so it doesn't need to be blazoned.

That's an interesting remark. Any idea where your assumption might have originated?

From what I can see of that blazon, the adjective 'proper' controls the colouring of any charges preceeding it back to the previous tincture, or the beginning of the blazon, whichever is first.
Crest: On a wreath Argent and Sable an elephant statant affronty wearing a mitre and holding by its trunk three peacock train feathers bendwise sinister proper.

So, with that in mind, the Elephant, Mitre and Feathers are all proper.
However, I might query the wording of 'bendwise sinister' rather than 'bend sinisterwise'.


In a roundabout way, that agrees with what I said. If a proper mitre is gold, that is.


steven harris wrote:Having been responsible for holding a bishop's mitre during a mass - I can tell you that they are not gold.


Certainly not all mitres are golden in colour, but some of them definitely are.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 08 Oct 2012, 21:31
by Ryan Shuflin
It is true I have seen gold mitres, but I think of them as usually white with gold parts.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 09 Oct 2012, 23:20
by Ljubodrag Grujic
Thank you for your kind words. The mitre part of the crest is the biggest issue as it is seemingly a religious question. If it were so, then perhaps I could have drawn it as an Orthodox mitre as I find that one to be "proper". That is simply not so, as this question is not a religious one but a heraldic one. When it comes to English-speaking world, Fox-Davies is a bit of an authority and he claims:

There are several forms of mitre which, when looked upon as an ecclesiastical ornament, can be said to exist; but from the heraldic point of view only one mitre is recognised, and that is of gold, the labels being of the same colour. The jewelled variety is incorrect in armorial representations, though the science of armory does not appear to have enforced any particular shape of mitre.

I hope this clarifies my decision how to draw this mitre. Of course that a nice mitra preciosa would have been more opulent.