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Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 00:27
by Michael Grace
Beautifully rendered Ljubodrag!

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 13:14
by steven harris
Please do not misunderstand my mitre-related questions as criticism. The emblazonment is splendid!

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 20:19
by Jesse Carrasco
This is wonderful! Ljubodrag does it again.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 13:22
by Ljubodrag Grujic
steven harris wrote:Please do not misunderstand my mitre-related questions as criticism. The emblazonment is splendid!


No, I don't. I am very sorry if I sounded like that! I do apologise to you and all. Thank you for your kind words.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 14 Oct 2012, 20:03
by GSelvester
There are three basic mitres used by Western prelates. The mitra simplex is plain white linen (white damask for cardinals). The mitra aurifigiata is a plain mitre that is gold-colored (so there are such things as gold miters). The mitra preciosa is adorned with decorations or precious gems. Generall speaking, most mitres are made of a white or gold base material and then decorated with materials of various colors.

However, in heraldry there is no "default" color for a mitre. This is especially true because abbots traditionally use a mitra simplex in heraldry and bishops a mitra preciosa.

When a mitre is used as a charge on a shield, or in a crest, or as an external ornament (as in the arms of a diocese) it should be blazoned.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 20 Oct 2012, 12:28
by Ljubodrag Grujic
Thank you, father Silvester. On the subject of heraldry of the Catholic church yours is the definite word, in my humble opinion.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 02:05
by O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr
I have been told the bend would be better stated as "bordered surmounted of another bend gold (or)".

Does that make sense to anyone?

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 12:00
by Chas Charles-Dunne
O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr wrote:
Arms: Sable on a bend Murrey fimbriated Or between two elephant tusks proper butt-capped Or both bendwise the dexter tusk butt to chief and the sinister tusk butt to base three bear heads erased Argent.

Crest: On a wreath Argent and Sable an elephant statant affronty wearing a mitre and holding by its trunk three peacock train feathers bendwise sinister proper.

Motto: Semper excelsius.
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I have been told the bend would be better stated as "bordered surmounted of another bend gold (or)".

Does that make sense to anyone?



Not to me. We all know what a fimbriation is, and your bend is fimbriated. It could be argued that it is a 'a bend Or surmounted by a bend Murry', but not the other way round. As far as I can see, the blazon is correct.

My only quibble is the expression 'butt-capped'. It sounds like a dodgy activity. As in, "What did you do on the week-end?", "Oh, I went butt-capping, with some friends."

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 12:45
by Ryan Shuflin
Chas Charles-Dunne wrote:
O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr wrote:
Arms: Sable on a bend Murrey fimbriated Or between two elephant tusks proper butt-capped Or both bendwise the dexter tusk butt to chief and the sinister tusk butt to base three bear heads erased Argent.

Crest: On a wreath Argent and Sable an elephant statant affronty wearing a mitre and holding by its trunk three peacock train feathers bendwise sinister proper.

Motto: Semper excelsius.
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I have been told the bend would be better stated as "bordered surmounted of another bend gold (or)".

Does that make sense to anyone?



Not to me. We all know what a fimbriation is, and your bend is fimbriated. It could be argued that it is a 'a bend Or surmounted by a bend Murry', but not the other way round. As far as I can see, the blazon is correct.

My only quibble is the expression 'butt-capped'. It sounds like a dodgy activity. As in, "What did you do on the week-end?", "Oh, I went butt-capping, with some friends."


perhaps "garnished Or" would be a better choice of words, although it not very specific.

Re: Grujić's Rendition of My Achievement

Posted: 21 Dec 2012, 13:31
by Chas Charles-Dunne
Ryan Shuflin wrote:
Chas Charles-Dunne wrote:
O. Wrigley-P.-McKerr wrote:
Arms: Sable on a bend Murrey fimbriated Or between two elephant tusks proper butt-capped Or both bendwise the dexter tusk butt to chief and the sinister tusk butt to base three bear heads erased Argent.

Crest: On a wreath Argent and Sable an elephant statant affronty wearing a mitre and holding by its trunk three peacock train feathers bendwise sinister proper.

Motto: Semper excelsius.
~~~~~~~~~~
I have been told the bend would be better stated as "bordered surmounted of another bend gold (or)".

Does that make sense to anyone?



Not to me. We all know what a fimbriation is, and your bend is fimbriated. It could be argued that it is a 'a bend Or surmounted by a bend Murry', but not the other way round. As far as I can see, the blazon is correct.

My only quibble is the expression 'butt-capped'. It sounds like a dodgy activity. As in, "What did you do on the week-end?", "Oh, I went butt-capping, with some friends."


perhaps "garnished Or" would be a better choice of words, although it not very specific.


According to J P Brooke-Little in his An Heraldic Alphabet -

Garnished - Used to describe the decoration on charges such as pieces of armour, bugles, horns etc., when of a different tincture from the charge itself.


The bend is fimbriated and that would be the correct and accurate blazon for it. Anything else would not only complicate things unnecessarily and be wrong.