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Re: Romanov Family Heraldry

Posted: 04 Oct 2015, 17:36
by Mike_Oettle
While the black bordure with gold and silver lions’ heads is perhaps a strange inclusion as a mark of difference, it at least ensured that lesser members of the Tsar’s family were not easily confused, in their armorial display, with the Tsar himself and his government.
It was certainly more visible than the tiny inescutcheon bearing Frederician initials that was borne by lesser members of the Prussian (Brandenburgian) royal house.

Re: Romanov Family Heraldry

Posted: 27 Oct 2015, 15:40
by Ryan Shuflin
Mike_Oettle wrote:While the black bordure with gold and silver lions’ heads is perhaps a strange inclusion as a mark of difference, it at least ensured that lesser members of the Tsar’s family were not easily confused, in their armorial display, with the Tsar himself and his government.
It was certainly more visible than the tiny inescutcheon bearing Frederician initials that was borne by lesser members of the Prussian (Brandenburgian) royal house.


Actually, a border as a difference seemed quite normal to me.

Re: Romanov Family Heraldry

Posted: 27 Oct 2015, 21:51
by Michael F. McCartney
From a British viewpoint, yes; but in the Russian context, how common were borders, and especially as brisures?

Re: Romanov Family Heraldry

Posted: 28 Oct 2015, 16:25
by Ryan Shuflin
Michael F. McCartney wrote:From a British viewpoint, yes; but in the Russian context, how common were borders, and especially as brisures?


Good question, I haven't seen enough to form an educated opinion, I am not sure the differencing was used very much in Russian heraldry, but some of the few Russian arms I have seen have them.

Re: Romanov Family Heraldry

Posted: 14 Jan 2016, 00:20
by Jonathan Webster
Mike_Oettle wrote:While the black bordure with gold and silver lions’ heads is perhaps a strange inclusion as a mark of difference, it at least ensured that lesser members of the Tsar’s family were not easily confused, in their armorial display, with the Tsar himself and his government.
It was certainly more visible than the tiny inescutcheon bearing Frederician initials that was borne by lesser members of the Prussian (Brandenburgian) royal house.


What inescutcheon was that?

I always thought younger members of the Prussian royal family bore the Prussian Royal Arms within a bordure compony argent and sable, at least during the days of the German Empire. That is, with the exception of the German Crown Prince, who bore the German imperial arms within a bordure gules.