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Schumacher's arms.
Fun with Canting Arms and Mottos.
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The bookplate with the canting Crest of Col Iain Swinnerton with his "swine on a tun"
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The Arms of one of my early ancestors, Sir Robert de Rouclyf, Constable of Picketing Castle, Yorkshire.
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"We Are Who We Are" - a branch of the Weare family
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Bernard Juby wrote:The Arms of one of my early ancestors, Sir Robert de Rouclyf, Constable of Picketing Castle, Yorkshire.
"Picketing" or "Pickering"?
I presume that the cant is "Rouc..."/"Rook".
I see that Sir Robert was with Henry Percy (Hotspur) at the defence of Berwick in 1374.
I also note that a kinsman, Sir David Rouclyf, was a witness in the Scrope/Grosvenor controversy (1389). His arms were: Argent a Chevron between three Lions' heads erased Gules. - i.e. very similar to Sir Robert's, but without the canting element.
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From Siebmachers three different families named Knoblauch (Garlic)
Also the family Oven:
and Finkenaugen:
Also the family Oven:
and Finkenaugen:
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Re the arms of Col Iain Swinnerton -
Has anyone else noticed that although the College of Arms still produces designs with a canting reference the cant is usually restricted to the crest rather than the shield as in medieval arms?
I assume that this is so that the life and interests of the grantee is given greater emphasis.
Regards,
Iain Boyd
Has anyone else noticed that although the College of Arms still produces designs with a canting reference the cant is usually restricted to the crest rather than the shield as in medieval arms?
I assume that this is so that the life and interests of the grantee is given greater emphasis.
Regards,
Iain Boyd
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It does seem to be the trend that canting is left to the crest. I want to say I have read something about it in a book, but it was years ago, and I forgot where. I think the basic drift was that canting went out of style, but it is traditional, and now it is coming back, especially as crests. That could suggest that because canting arms use puns that they weren't seen as serious. Thus, they were regulated to the crest and away from the shield. Another factor can be, that while the grant seeker has an idea what they want on the shield, they have less often an idea for the crest. The herald then suggests a canting crest. It can also be that canting charges tend to fit better as crests.
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A branch of the Weare family uses "We are who we are"
Sorry - this seems to have popped up twice.
Sorry - this seems to have popped up twice.
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"Picketing" or "Pickering"?
I presume that the cant is "Rouc..."/"Rook".
I see that Sir Robert was with Henry Percy (Hotspur) at the defence of Berwick in 1374.
I also note that a kinsman, Sir David Rouclyf, was a witness in the Scrope/Grosvenor controversy (1389). His arms were: Argent a Chevron between three Lions' heads erased Gules. - i.e. very similar to Sir Robert's, but without the canting element.[/quote]
My typo! It's Pickering and yes it's a phonetic rook and they are all relatives.
I presume that the cant is "Rouc..."/"Rook".
I see that Sir Robert was with Henry Percy (Hotspur) at the defence of Berwick in 1374.
I also note that a kinsman, Sir David Rouclyf, was a witness in the Scrope/Grosvenor controversy (1389). His arms were: Argent a Chevron between three Lions' heads erased Gules. - i.e. very similar to Sir Robert's, but without the canting element.[/quote]
My typo! It's Pickering and yes it's a phonetic rook and they are all relatives.
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