Agreed, Mike.
And Chris, I am not placing blame on IAAH for the usage. It is sufficiently widespread that it is likely to crop up almost anywhere.
One last thing, Mike: in my country, the word fall (for autumn) is a quaint Americanism with little relevance, since only about half our trees (or less) shed their leaves when summer ends.
Regards,
Mike
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Remaining off topic, I do not remember having heard anyone use fall here in New Zealand, which, is not really surprising as our native trees do not loose their leaves during autumn.
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Better a quaint Americanism than a pretentious Latinism.
"Fall" as a term for the season formerly known as "harvest" appears in 16th century England,before the colonization of North America. "Fall" and "autumn" were used interchangeably in England, as they still are in the United States, until 19th century British lexicographers came to deprecate the simpler, more evocative, and faultlessly Anglo-Saxon word, to the immense loss of the Queen's insular version of the language.
Nevertheless, precisely to avoid this discussion, I did not refer to "fall" in my original post, but to "autumn."
"Fall" as a term for the season formerly known as "harvest" appears in 16th century England,before the colonization of North America. "Fall" and "autumn" were used interchangeably in England, as they still are in the United States, until 19th century British lexicographers came to deprecate the simpler, more evocative, and faultlessly Anglo-Saxon word, to the immense loss of the Queen's insular version of the language.
Nevertheless, precisely to avoid this discussion, I did not refer to "fall" in my original post, but to "autumn."
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Heraldry please gentlemen!
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Mike, regardless of whether you actually wrote the word fall, you have now twice disparaged the word autumn, the second time dismissing it as pretentious.
Why should I use an irrelevant term like fall when there is an alternative? (Irrelevant in my country, that is.)
Harvest would hardly be appropriate since we have harvests at various times of year.
And now back to heraldry.
Why should I use an irrelevant term like fall when there is an alternative? (Irrelevant in my country, that is.)
Harvest would hardly be appropriate since we have harvests at various times of year.
And now back to heraldry.
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And now back to heraldry.
Yes please.
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