Chas Charles-Dunne wrote:JMcMillan wrote:To clarify a point: while it is true that the English College of Arms will not grant personal arms without a helm and crest, there is absolutely no requirement that an English armiger display the helm in every achievement.
The following are not personal arms, but I wonder when this ruling about personal arms having to be granted with helm and crest was made seeing as late as 1982, a county received a grant without.
I feel that I have seen a more-or-less recent grant made with shield, helm, torse, and motto - but without a crest. Certainly with-crest is by far the norm, but "required"?